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Negative Recruiting Debunk: Spread QBs

Listed below are statistics of Quarterbacks in the top 100 rushers in a given year. Immediately below each one, there is a snippet on where each one was drafted, or how they did in the NFL. As you can see, the number of times a quarterback rushes the ball has little bearing on where he will be drafted. Rather, it is a matter of which skills you have.

2007
Player Class Rushes Yds Passes Eff
Michael Desormeaux Jr 188 1141
Pat White Jr 197 1335 216 151.4
Jake Locker Fr 172 986
Dan LeFevour So 188 1122 543 133.5
K-N Kaheaku-Enhada Jr 180 834
Stephen McGee Jr 181 899 364 117.8
Tim Tebow So 210 895 350 172.5
Matt Grothe So 198 872 392 121.0
Zac Robinson So 140 879 333 149.0

All of these players are back in college this year, but several of them are NFL-bound. Pat White will be a first day pick as a receiver, and Tim Tebow and Dan LeFevour are locks to be eventual NFL draft picks. Grothe will probably also make it to the NFL, along with Jake Locker, Matt Grothe, and maybe Zac Robinson.


2006
Player Class Rushes Yds Passes Eff
Julian Edelman Jr 169 658 232 124.4
Pat White So 165 1219
James Starks Fr 175 704
Chris Nickson So 146 694 292 122.8
Bernard Jackson Jr 155 677 219 103.3

None of these players made it to the NFL (yet, as several are still eligible).

2005
Player Class Rushes Yds Passes Eff
Brad Smith Sr 229 1301 399 114.1
Vince Young Jr 155 1050 325 163.9
Pat White Fr 151 932
Lamar Owens Sr 213 880
Michael Robinson Sr 163 806 311 127.2
Reggie McNeal Sr 96 664 265 128.6
Shaun Carney So 170 710

I think we all know how Vince Young made out after leaving Texas (3rd overall in 2006). Reggie McNeal was picked as a receiver in the 6th round. Brad Smith went in the 4th round at receiver, and Michael Robinson was a fellow 4th-rounder as a running back.

2004
Player Class Rushes Yds Passes Eff
Vince Young So 167 1079 343 128.5
Josh Cribbs Sr 170 893 335 133.2
Aaron Polanco Sr 246 980
Walter Washington Jr 222 889 332 118.5
Rasheed Marshall Sr 169 861 242 143.4
Drew Stanton Jr 96 687 220 131.8
Joel Armstrong Fr 114 608

Rasheed Marshall (who played for Rich Rodriguez at WVU) was a 5th-round pick as a receiver. Josh Cribbs went undrafted, but is still playing in the NFL as a receiver/returner for the Cleveland Browns. Drew Stanton was the 2nd-round pick of the Detroit Lions in 2006, and is expected to challenge for their starting position this year.

Also, for the record, Michael Vick was a number 1 overall draft pick, despite only actually playing college football for 2 years, and being as far from a prototypical NFL quarterback as you can imagine. Offensive style doesn’t dictate where a “system quarterback” will be drafted. Instead, it is skill that is paramount. NFL GMs can tell if a guy has an NFL arm, regardless of whether he’s running the zone-read (Vince Young), a different type of running spread (Tim Tebow), or a passing-oriented offense (Dan LeFevour, among others).

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2008 Michigan Preview: Linebackers

Projected Depth Chart

WLB MLB SLB
Mouton (rSo)
OR Panter (Sr)
Thompson (rSr)
OR Ezeh (rSo)
Ezeh (rSo)
OR Evans (So)
Logan (Sr) Panter (Sr) Patilla (rSo)
OR Herron (rFr)
Demens (Fr)
OR Witherspoon (Fr)
Fitzgerald (Fr) Hill (Fr)

Linebackers
Obi Ezeh was the starter in the middle last year as a redshirt freshman. The outside linebackers, Shawn Crable and Cris Graham are gone, but not necessarily lamented. On the strong side, expect redshirt freshman Marell Evans to work his way into a starting role. On the weakside, redshirt sophomore Jonas Mouton is a good athlete, but has been plagued by injuries during his firs two years at Michigan, and hasn’t been able to master the mental aspect of linebacking. He will battle senior Austin Panter, the former junior college defensive player of the year, for a starting role. 5th-year senior Johnny Thompson and redshirt freshman Brandon Herron provide some depth. Michigan also brought in a big freshman class of LBs, and a couple, such as Kenny Demens or JB Fitzgerald, may be asked to contribute.

Stats

Michigan Linebackers 2007
Name Tackle TFL Sacks Int
Shawn Crable 90 28.5 7.5 0
Chris Graham 90 7 1 0
Obi Ezeh 67 4 2 1
Johnny Thompson 30 2 0 1
Austin Panter 7 0 0 0
Jonas Mouton 5 0 0 0
Max Pollock 3 0 0 0

Analysis
Graham’s departure isn’t quite addition by subtraction, but it’s pretty close. A lot of Michigan fans feel the same way about Crable, but I personally believe that he was just misused. Bad football players do not get drafted by the Best Team Ever Until They Lost in the third round. Ezeh should be improved from last year, and he is getting to be a big boy for linebacker. Marell Evans is a good athlete who is known for his work ethic. Johnny Thompson has never done anything to stick out to me, I think he would be a depth player if this team had a linebacking corps that you might expect from Michigan. A couple of the freshmen may be expected to contribute, but the coaching staff would prefer to play the upperclassmen.

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Question for the Fans

On the Recruiting Board, would you prefer that I move guys to the positions that I expect they will end up playing in college (DeWayne Peace to DB, Thomas Gordon to S, etc.), or just leave them where they are for now (either where I started them off or where Scout and Rivals rank them).

Also, Paul and I have started to put together the 2010 board. The format will be mostly similar, but if there are any new features or content you would like, or any idea to make it better let us know. Starting early in the game as opposed to half way through allows more time for development and tweaking, so dream big.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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2008 Michigan Preview: Defensive Line

Projected Depth Chart

DE DT NT DE
Graham (Jr) Johnson (rSr) Taylor (Sr) Jamison (rSr)
VanBergen (rFr) Kates (rSo)
Ferrara (rSo) Banks (rSo)
Criswell (rJr) Sagesse (So) Martin (Fr) Patterson (Jr)


Defensive Tackles

In the middle, Senior Terrance Taylor and 5th-year Will Johnson are the tackles. There is little depth among the backups, particularly with Marques Slocum leaving the team this summer. Redshirt sophomores Jason Kates and John Ferrara will be the backup tackles. Renaldo Sagesse has reportedly had a good summer and should challenge for playing time as well. Don’t be surprised to see true freshman Mike Martin in the rotation, either.

Stats

Michigan Defensive Tackles 2007
Name Tackle TFL Sacks
Terrance Taylor 55 8.5 3.5
Will Johnson 40 2.5 0.5
Marques Slocum 8 0.5 0
John Ferrara 2 1 0
Jason Kates 1 0 0

Analysis
Taylor is a big run-stopper at defensive tackle, and has been a starter since his sophomore year. Johnson enters his second year as a starter, though I found him entirely uninspiring last year. The backups are far less touted and experienced than the starters across the line, but they will have to get the job done as well. While the starting DLine is probably the strength of the Michigan team, the lack of depth is one of the major weaknesses.

Defensive Ends
One the ends, Michigan returns another pair of starters. Junior Brandon Graham is a terror from the defensive end position, and 5th-year senior Tim Jamison mans the other side. Jamison is a more traditional speed rusher, but Graham has an element of quickness to his game as well. The backups are Ryan VanBergen, Adam Patterson, and Greg Banks. A man-sans-position thus far in his career, senior Andre Criswell will give end a shot this year.

Stats

Michigan Defensive Ends 2007
Name Tackle TFL Sacks
Tim Jamison 52 10 5.5
Brandon Graham 25 9.5 8.5
Greg Banks 7 0 0
Adam Patterson 4 1 1

Analysis
Graham is a very athletic pass rusher on one side, but fans are still waiting for Tim Jamison to live up to his potential. Many are hoping that a good ass-kicking in the weight room under new strength coach Mike Barwis can unlock the thus-far dormant ability. The lack of depth at end is a major weaknesses. Few have gained significant playing time thus far, and there aren’t even that many bodies at the position. Until he showed up to camp ineligible, it was thought that Marcus Witherspoon might become a defensive end. A likely redshirt this year may be the perfect opportunity to switch positions.

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2008 Michigan Preview: Offensive Line

Projected Depth Chart

LT LG C RG RT
Ortmann (rJr) Moosman (rJr) McAvoy (rJr) Zirbel (rJr) Schilling (rSo)
Huyge (rFr) McAvoy (rJr) Molk (rFr) Barnum (Fr) Dorrestein (rSo)
O’Neill (Fr) Wermers (Fr) Barnum (Fr) Mealer (Fr) Zirbel (rJr)
Khoury (Fr) Omameh (Fr)

Offensive Line
We’ve all heard the facts: four starters are gone, including the NFL’s number one overall pick, a multi-year starter next to him, a Michigan legacy who transferred to Ohio State, and a guy who was never in good enough shape. The lone returning starter is Stephen Schilling at right tackle. The redshirt sophomore started every game last year, and accounts for 13 of the entire squad’s 16 career starts. The other positions are mostly up for grabs, but redshirt junior Mark Ortmann will probably man the other tackle spot. On the inside, redshirt junior Cory Zirbel, redshirt sophomore David Moosman, redshirt junior Tim McAvoy, and redshirt freshman David Molk will compete for the final three spots. Moosman has the upper hand at center, with Zirbel likely at one of the guard spots. Several other players will provide depth, including 6 freshmen.

Analysis
This may be the hardest-hit unit on the team aside from quarterback. Schillling is probably the best athlete on the offensive line, and Molk has tons of potential on the inside, likely as a future center. Ortmann is a classical big left tackle, and it remains to be seen if he has the athleticism for the spread system. The same could be said for most of the players along the interior as well, who were recruited to Michigan’s old power run game. If the offensive line has time to gel, it shouldn’t be a catastrophe, but until we see them accomplish something on the field, they remain the biggest question mark.

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Recruiting Update 8-11-08

New Information:
FL TE Orson Charles. He loved his Miami visit, and Georgia appears to be the only other school under serious consideration. He is teetering dangerously close to removal.
PA WR Todd Thomas. Pitt leads. He is also fairly close to removal.
MD DE Jason Ankrah. One local media video piece. Two local media video pieces.
GA LB Devekeyan Lattimore. Knows where he is taking all official visits (Michigan is one).
OK CB Gabe Lynn. Still no favorite.

Etc.:
Want to see Pahokee play in person (and likely Vincent Smith and Brandin Hawthorne commit)? There are tickets available. Bastrop (DE commit DeQuinta Jones, WR target Rueben Randle) will have a game on the ESPN family of networks. Much annoyance to the abundance of articles talking exactly how many games are going to be on ESPN without saying which games. In case you’re curious, Western Branch is figuring what to do without Newsome. According to Sam Webb, Michigan may not be out of it for Oku. I’ll leave him off the board for now.

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Mike Barwis for President

More of a “video piece” than a “podcast” per se. I don’t think people will complain. (Note: there’s a NSF word around the one minute mark)

Thanks goes out to GoBlueWolverine for one of the video snippets, our comrades at Wolverine Liberation Army for the paragraph in the opening shot, and this particular Barack Obama ad, and Ace of Sports (citing Adam Rittenberg) for the inspiration.

Also, there is a frighteningly robust community on YouTube of… wolf fans… …?

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Quick Links

Practice notes from MGoBlue, including KC Lopata nailing a 56-yard field goal in scrimmage.

Grady pleads guilty to DUI.

The position previews are coming along nicely, and when they’re all done, we can start worrying about Utah.

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Big Ten 2009 Recruiting Class Rankings 8-9-08

Action since last rankings:
7-25-08 Indiana gains commitment from Colin Rodkey
8-3-08 Iowa gains commitment from Keenan Davis. Michigan State gains commitment from Dan France.
8-5-08 Northwestern gains commitment from Brian Smith.
8-7-08 Illinois gains commitment from Bud Golden.
I also finally bit the bullet and moved to Rivals’s (superior?) rankings. Next week I’ll put all the commits back in star order.

New Rankings:

#1 Ohio State – 24 commits
DT **** Johnny Simon
LB ***** Dorian Bell
DE **** Melvin Fellows
CB **** CJ Barnett
WR **** James Jackson
MLB **** Storm Klein
MLB **** Jordan Whiting
RB **** Jordan Hall
OG **** Corey Linsley
OT **** Jack Mewhort
S **** Jamie Wood
WR *** Duron Carter
WR **** Justin Green
RB **** Carlos Hyde
CB **** Corey Brown
S **** Bradley McDougald
DE *** Jonathan Newsome
TE *** Reid Fragel
DT *** Adam Bellamy
WR **** Chris Fields
FB *** Adam Homan
LB *** Zach Boren
CB **** Dominic Clarke
OL *** Sam Longo

Down: Simon, Fellows (from 5), Carter (from 4). Up: Fields, Clarke, McDougald (from 3).

#2 Michigan – 14 commits
DT ***** William Campbell
QB **** Kevin Newsome
CB **** Justin Turner
QB **** Shavodrick Beaver
WR **** Bryce McNeal
RB *** Teric Jones
RB **** Fitzgerald Toussaint
WR *** DeWayne Peace
OL **** Michael Schofield
S *** Isaiah Bell
LB *** Jordan Barnes
WR **** Jeremy Gallon
DE *** DeQuinta Jones
S *** Mike Jones

Down: Newsome (from 5), Jones (from 4). Up: Gallon, Schofield, Toussaint (from 3)

#3 Notre Dame – 13 commits
RB ***** Cierre Wood
OL **** Chris Watt
MLB *** Carlo Calabrese
RB **** Theo Riddick
DT **** Tyler Stockton
OL **** Alex Bullard
CB **** Marlon Pollard
TE ** Jake Golic
TE *** Tyler Eifert
LB **** Dan Fox
OL **** Zach Martin
P * Ben Turk
K ** Nicholas Tausch

Down: Watt (from 5), Calabrese (from 4), Golic (from 3) Up: Fox, Martin (from 3), Tausch (from 1).

#4 Michigan State – 14 commits
RB **** Edwin Baker
RB **** Larry Caper
SLB **** Chris Norman
OL **** David Barrent
WR **** Donald Spencer
DT **** Blake Treadwell
QB **** Andrew Maxwell
WR *** Patrick White
WR *** Dana Dixon
LB *** Tyquan Hammock
OL *** Micajah Reynolds
OL *** Nate Klatt
WR ** Bennie Fowler
TE ** Derek Hoebing
DE *** Dan France

Up: Barrent, Maxwell, Spencer, Treadwell (from 3), Klatt, Reynolds, Fowler, Hoebing (from 1).

#5 Penn State – 16 commits
OT **** Eric Shrive
CB **** Darrell Givens
DE **** Sean Stanley
OT *** Mark Arcidiacono
S *** Stephen Obeng-Agyapong
S *** Malcolm Willis
S *** Derrick Thomas
QB ** Curtis Drake
C *** Ty Howle
CB *** Stephon Morris
WR *** Brandon Felder
OT *** Adam Gress
RB ** Curtis Dukes
OL *** Nate Cadogan
OG ** Frank Figueroa
WR ** Christian Kuntz

Down: Shrive (from 5), Arcidiacono (from 4), Drake, Dukes (from 3) Up: Kuntz, Figueroa (from 1).

#6 Illinois – 10 commits
DT **** Lendell Buckner
OT **** Leon Hill
QB **** Nathan Scheelhaase
WR **** Terry Hawthorne
OL *** Andrew Carter
WR ** Steve Hull
S ** Tommie Hopkins
CB ** Joelil Thrash
OL ** Jake Feldmeyer
FB *** Greg Fuller
RB **** Bud Golden

Down: Carter (from 4), Hull (from 3). Up: Thrash, Fuller (from 1)

#7 Wisconsin – 10 commits
DT **** Jared Kohout
OG *** Ryan Groy
DE **** Shelby Harris
QB *** Jon Budmayr
OT *** Zac Matthias
RB *** Montee Ball
TE *** Brian Wozniak
WR ** Jeff Duckworth
MLB *** Chris Borland
OL *** Travis Frederick
OL ** Casey Dehn

Up: Harris (from 3), Borland, Frederick (from 1). Down:

#8 Minnesota – 9 commits
QB *** Moses Alipate
RB **** Hasan Lipscomb
C *** Ed Olsen
OT *** Josh Campion
RB **** Eric Stephens
WR *** Victor Keise
DE ** Nick Rengel
OL *** Brooks Michel
K ** Dan Orseske

Up: Lipscomb (from 3) Stephens, Keise (from 2), Michel, Orseske, Rengel (from 1). Down: Alipate (from 4).

#9 Indiana – 15 commits
LB *** Jeremy Gainer
QB *** Edward Wright-Baker
DT *** Adam Replogle
WR *** Jamonne Chester
WR *** Duwyce Wilson
OL *** Charles Chapman
QB *** Dustin Kiel
CB ** Lawrence Barnett
DE ** Josh Keyt
S ** Nick Zachery
S ** Kenny Watkins
S ** Demetrius Carr
S ** Ted Bolser
OL ** Pat McShane
K ** Mitch Ewald
OL *** Colin Rodkey

Up: Barnett, Carr, Zachery (from 2), Ewald (from 1). Down: Kiel (from 3). Not on rivals commit list: Keyt.

#10 Iowa – 3 commits
WR *** Jordan Cotton
FB *** Brad Rogers
OL ** Drew Clark
WR **** Keenan Davis

Up: Rogers (from 2), Clark (from 1).

#11 Northwestern – 4 commits
QB *** Evan Watkins
RB *** Mike Trumpy
DE *** Anthony Battle
WR ** Drew Moulton

Up: Trumpy, Battle, Moulton (from 1)

#12 Purdue – 4 commits
DT * Kris Cooke
QB ** Rob Henry
S ** Ishmael Aristide
WR ** Gary Bush
DE ** Shayon Green

Down: Henry (from 3), Cooke (from 4). Up: Aristide, Bush (from 1).

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Recruiting Update: The Triple Ocho

New Information:
CS DE Chris Bonds. Top 6 (Michigan is oviously in it, considering they have secured a visit).
AL CB Dre Kirkpatrick. Takes in an Alabama practice.
GA LB Devekeyan Lattimore. Old, but super fluffy to a hilarious degree.
FL RB Vincent Smith. Video fluff.
MS DB Dennis Thames. He will be on display at some county fair or something.

Removed:
OK RB David Oku. The 2009 Noel Devine has dropped Michigan in an effort to get to a decision faster.
FL WR Rontavious Wooten. Will choose between two non-Michigan schools.

Etc.:
Sam Webb talks defensive end recruiting (audio). Cass Tech is going spread this year. It couldn’t be any worse than their offense was against OLSM when I saw them play last year. The ESPN 150 was released. Relevant persons:
Commits
65. Bryce McNeal (82)
91. Isaiah Bell (81)
147. Kevin Newsome (80)
Targets
5. Dre Kirkpatrick (90)
9. Jelani Jenkins (86)
10. Rueben Randle (86)
21. Shaquelle Evans (84)
22. Sam Montgomery (84)
25. Darius Winston (84)
38. Darren Myles (83)
43. Branden Smith (83)
48. Morgan Moses (83)
67. Craig Drummond (82)
77. Gabe Lynn (82)
78. Marcus Hall (82)
86. Craig Roh (82)
88. Donavan Tate (82)
123. David Oku (81)
132. Eugene Smith (81)
140. Chris Bonds (81)
141. Tate Forcier (81)

It’s utterly ridiculous that Will Campbell is not even in the 150, seeing as how he’s a no-brainer 5-star to both of the other sites, and ESPN spoke breathlessly about him following the Penn State Nike Combine. Just another hit to ESPN’s recruiting credibility (as though they needed one). Their reasoning:

Dominating the combine circuit without pads during one-on-one drills (geared toward the defense) does not give an accurate description of a DT’s ability to truly play the position. When comparing Campbell against the 10 DT’s that made the 150, we felt he wasn’t in the same class talent-wise. He didn’t display the ability to be as explosive as the DT’s above him.

If you’re looking for which idiot at ESPN to complain about, this was said by one Billy Tucker (side note: Campbell’s explosiveness is one of his greatest strengths, besides natural size, of course).

Analysis:
Oku’s removal is sad, but maybe warranted considering the thousands of RBs Michigan has recruited. Same goes for Wooten and slots. Other than those two guys, not a ton of action this week. In the next couple updates, I may start removing prospects that are highly unlikely to end up at Michigan (I’m lookin’ at you, Hersey Jackson).

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